Locker

November said:
And we need ofcourse another awesome look at this locker working/driving on dry asphalt bends.
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I'd be most interested to know how it behaves at speed on tight corners. I don't think the results would be at all positive, something to be very wary of.

edit:further to this, I reckon it would behave more like a solid or locked diff than an LSD in cornering, as the power is being applied to the slowest wheel in the Torq locker, but the fastest wheel in the LSD. Ideally, to improve cornering you want to decrease the power to the slower wheel, ergo increasing the power to the slower wheel will be detrimental to cornering.

I'd be happy for someone to refute this, I've got no serious basis for this apart from a vague understanding of physics which I think I obtained via osmosis and large amounts of tricycle riding as a youngun.
 
Should torq locker in corners just be as open diff? So is that change a lot there? It should just click click click in corner poweryourbrain guys showed that on kmpreza wrx some cornering as well
 
Open diff = power sent to wheel with least resistance
TorqLocker = power sent to wheel with most resistance.

pretty sure that's right.
 
Torq locker when its locked yes. On asphalt on corners it will unlock thats when you hear click sounds then its not locker its open diff. At least it should be. Thats why we need more test to prove it or prove it wrong.
 
scalman said:
On asphalt on corners it will unlock thats when you hear click sounds then its not locker its open diff
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Exactly right

Ben Up North said:
I'd be most interested to know how it behaves at speed on tight corners. I don't think the results would be at all positive, something to be very wary of.
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Yes that's what we all thought might happen, but it's really not noticeable at all in 99% of driving

November said:
And we need of course another awesome look at this locker working/driving on dry asphalt bends.
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Done, see below

The clicking is barely noticeable in most situations
When turning or reversing into a car park, or pulling out of a side street while accelerating, the clicking is more pronounced. Other than that, you don't notice it

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyYvBg88x2w"]Subaru auto locker onroad handling test 02 - YouTube[/ame]


No change in handling even on wet roads, if anything there is slight power understeer, certainly not the oversteer that had been predicted
 
NachaLuva said:
No change in handling even on wet roads, if anything there is slight power understeer, certainly not the oversteer that had been predicted
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Who was predicting oversteer? Doesn't make sense that it would oversteer. Understeer is what I expected.
 
Oversteer theory
During a corner, the locker would break traction about the same point that an open diff does, since both are really driving one wheel. Difference being it would suddenly send power to the wheel that had traction and would cause both rear wheels to spin while an open diff would only spin one rear wheel. Losing traction on both rear wheels more suddenly would cause the enthusiastic driver who was trying to get oversteer to get oversteer more suddenly. I'd like to see a P plater rally legend give it a go, but for now am happy to except you just get a little more understeer.
 
The thing that makes me think it's more likely to understeer is because the power is going to the inside (and thus slower) wheel, not the outside.
 
I think most people that think that this locker would create oversteer aren’t taking into consideration that they have an open centre diff which if overloaded will send power back to the front wheels.
If driven spiritedly with poorly maintained tyres in the wet then maybe you would encounter some oversteer but for most of us who have well maintained tyres this wouldn’t be an issue. Loose gravel may be a different story but again if the standard centre diff becomes overloaded it will again send power back to the front end. Everyone’s Subaru’s are setup differently so it’s hard to know without trying this locker out in many different setups as to how the locker will effect each setup, but for the most part I would see this as an advantage for the majority of us.

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1WD


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So my Forester won't drift as well as it does now if I fit a locker? :cry:
 
Lol maybe we all need to think why we want a locker to begin with ?
For me it’s to help Offroad, I may try to hang it out a bit on the dirt just to see how it handles compared to my stock R160, but the main reason is still for Offroad use.
Maybe it’s the awesome grip my G015’s have but mine only occasionally kicks out on dirt with my very spirited driving.
End of the day if I wanted to “drift” around on the road I’d buy a commodore lmfao
I bought a forester to change my driving style for the better lol

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1WD


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I reckon you’ll find that driving isn’t any different since you’re AWD. If you were 2wd you’d have to change your driving stykento make it through corners at speed safely.

On snow is where it could get dicey. And this comes down to three things - unlocking spring load, tyre grip and driving style.

My 20c for now.

Cheers

Bennie
 
It will drift even more maybe on like snow grass mud loose gravel. Saw video outlander sliding no probs with it in snow. And outlander is AWD also
 
Now that Torque Master have a Product Developer thread I have moved several posts in relation to that product there.
 
Testing the TorqLocker offroad on a muddy/clay turn which offloads the front right & rear left wheels

1st is me in the SubieLiftOz Foz with stock dual range gearbox, stock 4kg centre diff and new Torqlocker rear diff.

2nd is @Mitre A, also with a stock dual range gearbox, stock 4kg centre diff and stock viscous LSD rear diff.

3rd is @1WD Foz, also with a stock dual range gearbox, stock 4kg centre diff and stock open rear diff.

"]Subaru Locker Test - BS Fireline, Warburton - YouTube
 
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Nice example even harder if they would stop in middle turn and try go then
 
Does that with torq had any mod for center lock or manual locks center in low range maybe?
 
No, the Torq Locker SF forester has a standard centre diff.

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1WD


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Found another video lockers on newer models cvt and 5 speed and with traction control
So lockers works fine with TC then on normal roada thats good to hear
Think that best video iv seen to showcase really that lockers works not just offroad and not just on old subaru cars.
Interesting why 5bolt is louder then 1bolt

And they did another test x mode vs torq and its strange result guess you can allways find place where even locker wont help
Looking at this wouldnt say torq doing better then x mode as they both cant move up somehow.
 
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