Composite Engine Shields

These are great for light duty but dont rely on them for rocky tracks. In a heavy impact,eg, coming down on a rock, they will flex in on your sump & sump plug, possibly causing serious damage.

IMO they are a great replacement for protection on sand & light to medium impacts
 
Gidday NL

These are great for light duty but dont rely on them for rocky tracks. In a heavy impact,eg, coming down on a rock, they will flex in on your sump & sump plug, possibly causing serious damage.

If you are hitting stuff that hard, perhaps you need to reconsider either your use of your vehicle, or the vehicle you are using ... Just a thought ... :iconwink:

IMO they are a great replacement for protection on sand & light to medium impacts

I respectfully disagree. Composites are far stronger than even armourplate steel. More flexible - yes. Weaker - no.

Even old fashioned "composites" such as ply are generally tougher by weight than steel. Modern composites such as Kevlar etc, are far tougher than any steel.

They also don't invalidate one's car's compliance with the ADRs.
In and of itself, failing to comply with the ADRs applying to your own car makes it unroadworthy, by definition. This in turn voids your insurance, both for your vehicle and also for third party property damage ...

If you haven't got air bags, you probably don't have this problem. If you have air bags and/or pre-tensioning seatbelts, this is an insurmountable problem with using a steel sump guard.
 
Yup.

Here for all Subie guards:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/incarpleasure/sets/72157628163718791/detail/

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and closeup:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/incarpleasure/6406907407/in/set-72157628163718791
 
I'd also be in for a group buy. I've got an S-edition and dont even get the plastic guard. This would suit me better than an alloy one as its lighter and I dont plan to go too hardcore. As it is though I'm even reluctant to do gravel with the oil filter so exposed.

Just gotta make sure the SH ones fit the S with the 5EAT as that may be why we dont get the plastic one
 
Gidday Kab

A warm :welcome: to the ORS forum, mate :).

>2008 models are shown on this page:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/incarpleasure/sets/72157628163718791/detail/

You would need to contact the manufacturer to find out if it will fit your SH with the 5EAT. Our SH has the 4EAT.

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BTW, oil filters are pretty darn tough!! Unless you can manage to bash it directly, it is highly unlikely that you could damage one. I have never come across an oil filter that's got a casing made from anything less than about 16 gauge steel. That's pretty tough stuff.

A bit of gravel rash probably wouldn't even scratch the paint on one ... ;).

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Thanks Mate.

Well that's reassuring about the oil filters. Still too exposed without some sort of protection though.

Anyone got one, or am I gonna have to be the guinea pig??

I'll drop them an email to find out if they fit the S
 
I feel like the sledge hammer test looks great but provides little actual evidence of how these guards would perform under impact. It appears to be well over supported compared to how it would be supported when on a vehicle.
More importantly there is nothing underneath the guard to get damaged as it deflects and because the impact is very fast it is difficult to tell how much it deflects. Here is an example: If you hit a trampoline with a sledge hammer all day the trampoline is not going to break however anything relatively close underneath it will get a real pounding.

I would be impressed and satisfied with the test if that guard was mounted on a car with a sump underneath and then hit with the sledge hammer...

Dont get me wrong it might be a great product. I just feel the marketing material is not entirely representative.
 
^ One is right to be sceptical about these things, DM.

If we were all a bit more sceptical about the 'strength' of the cast alloy ones ...

I don't think that the cast alloy ones would stand up to even one decent hit with a sledge hammer ... I have broken 4" thick completely set concrete (years old) with a single swing with a sledge hammer.

OTOH, yesterday I tried to break a piece of 1" orange plastic underground electrical conduit with a heavy octagonal crowbar. It was fully supported by the ground underneath it. All I could manage to do was to crack it slightly!
I excavated around it, then cut through it cleanly and easily with a pair of Fiskin garden shears.
BTW, for those living in hope :iconwink:, I had already turned off the power ...

But it does demonstrate just how tough some plastics are, even without being a composite containing fibre materials.
 
Also it looks like there was some damage to the surface. OK for one hit but each time it will weaken it further. As I said, great for sand & light duty impacts but no good for bouncing along rocky tracks.

I like the protection from sand, water & mud it provides :biggrin:

Also, what is "paigaldus" & "bensiin"? :huh::shrug:
 
Gidday NL

Also it looks like there was some damage to the surface. OK for one hit but each time it will weaken it further. As I said, great for sand & light duty impacts but no good for bouncing along rocky tracks.

You keep saying this, but can you support your assertion?

I agree that the question needs to be asked, but one cannot just make such statements without at least some evidence to support them - just IMHO ...

I have seriously damaged a car (bent the subframe, and pushed it about 6" backwards into the car frame) by hitting something very hard with a very strong steel sump guard at around 90 mph ...

Also, what is "paigaldus" & "bensiin"? :huh::shrug:

"fitted", maybe?

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but your car doesn't have seatbelt pre-tensioners or airbags, unless it's a Limited model.

When one fits any rigid sump guard to a vehicle equipped with these, the guard must comply with the ADRs in this regard - i.e. must be airbag and seatbelt compliant.

Steel guards are not compliant with the ADRs. BIG problem ...
 
I'm interested but..

.. for me the issue is a glancing blow upon it! Like bottoming the car out on a dip scraping the underside. Two wheel tracks with the car underside scraping along sand and dirt.

Seriously the company should mail out a sample of their material upon request so we can confirm their strength claims to further a bulk order order.

I need compelling proof beyond Youtube!

:idea:
 
I'm interested (if the group bulk buy goes ahead).

I'm still on stock plastic so this represents a massive improvement.
 
Also it looks like there was some damage to the surface. OK for one hit but each time it will weaken it further. As I said, great for sand & light duty impacts but no good for bouncing along rocky tracks.

You keep saying this, but can you support your assertion?

I agree that the question needs to be asked, but one cannot just make such statements without at least some evidence to support them - just IMHO ...

Yep sure can :iconwink:

I have considerable experience with composites. I've repaired, designed & built using many types of fibres, resins & combinations, incl "S" glass, "E" glass, carbon fibre, Kevlar in plain weave, satin weave, twill weave & in many combinations. Also many grades of polyester, vinylester & epoxy resins. I used to be able to tell which resin was used just by the smell as I ground it back, lol.

I've been heavily involved in several forms of kayaking where these composites are used & abused to destruction so I know exactly what is involved as they are destroyed, the limitations & strengths of each material & combination of materials.

I've also done my own testing by creating samples & deliberately smashing it, much as you see in the video.

In the video you can see for yourself the surface layer is damaged by the sledge hammer. As this layer is damaged, the resin cracks away from the fibres & virtually eliminates its strength. The next layer is damaged with the next hit, destroying it & the cycle continues with each hit until a hole is created.

Rocks will further exaggerate this process as the stress is concentrated on sharp points instead of the entire face of the sledge hammer, plus there will be a cutting effect through the layers as the car moves over the sharp rock.

I'm not saying dont get the Ravolar sump guard, I'm just saying be aware of its limitations. Having severely cracked a SubaXtreme guard & broken the welds on a Crossbred guard, the Ravolar wouldnt last long with me lol. Also, because of its flexibility, it WILL flex in onto your sump in a decent hit, possibly causing damage.

But for others it may be the perfect solution. I like the full cover it provides against water, mud & sand, it looks good, is light & IIRC ADR compliant. Just dont expect it to stand up to hard hits. If you dont drive on rocky tracks where you often bottom out then IMO its great :biggrin:

I have seriously damaged a car (bent the subframe, and pushed it about 6" backwards into the car frame) by hitting something very hard with a very strong steel sump guard at around 90 mph ...
I'd suggest hitting anything at 90mph (150kmh) will do considerable damage regardless of the type of sumpguard lol :rotfl:
 
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^ NL, I wasn't querying your expertise, and I don't disagree with some of your thoughts. What I was saying is that one simply cannot make such statements about a specific item without so much as seeing a sample ...

BTW, the 1/4" steel plate sump guard was more or less undamaged in that prang - we got run off the road by a semi-trailer on a curve. It would have been far cheaper if it had been!!

I vaguely recall spending a night in hospital (and I do mean vaguely ... ) as I got hit in the back of the head by a suitcase, and went into shock. I wasn't driving.

A bloke who had run the "corner store" there for many years said he had never seen anyone survive such a prang on the corner in all the years he was there. It was called Derek's Corner, just west of Dalby, Qld. The western side was a normal two lane road, but went down to a single lane on the corner, with no warning signs. Such things were a bit more slack some 47+ years ago ... "Accidents" there were a very regular occurrence.
 
Bensiin means gasoline and paigaldus means installing :D
 
^ Gidday Tanel

Thanks for that, mate.

Any chance of you having a first hand look at these?

After all, a 12-14 mm composite guard should be heaps better than the ~5mm thick OEM ABS splash guard. Specially if it fits well.
The OEM guard isn't all that bad, IME, just has a tendency to slip below the bottom lip of the bumper, turning it into a useful mud or sand scoop ... :(.

Like many here, I'm not in the habit of throwing my car onto the biggest rocks I can find - that is, I carefully avoid what is avoidable ...
 
Well, i have talked to the manufacturer + a few guy who are using those shields. They are not bad - lightweight and easy to install. But none of the guys recommended them off road. For serious offroad, that is. I have had the composite guard in one hand and my custom made 4mm+ AL guard in other hand. The weight seems the same (around 7 kgs).
 
^ Thanks for those thoughts, mate.

The OEM guard weighs less than a kilo, at a guess! Also, not very well designed IMO.

However, we have rather strict design rules here (ADRs - Australian Design Rules). If you have airbags and/or pretensioner seatbelts here, any sump guard must have a compliance certificate that it complies with the ADRs.

The cast aluminium one from SubaXtreme does comply with the ADRs, but it's fairly weak. Probably not as tough as the Ravolar one. The SubaXtreme one can be welded, but not very successfully, apparently. Specially not when it has been smashed up as badly as NL's!
 
Well, i have talked to the manufacturer + a few guy who are using those shields...............
...........But none of the guys recommended them off road. For serious offroad, that is.
Mmmm that interesting.

Regards
Mr Turbo
 
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